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Kumandan

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As you all know, Poly Ninja farming is getting more popular day by day, dont you (moderators( guys see that this siutation will go to the bad.As long as you dont change smth, this "change" will more difficult than now. If in one map have 2-3 poly ninja , no one can find any metin and if no one can find any metin because of the ninjas, they will think and see the overpower of ninja and at the end of the day the guys who cant find any metin will do poly ninja farm too.So what you guys actually want ?

Do you guys want from us to do poly ninja too ?

even if Poly farm with warrior is powered , i tested it with my warrior (no aura and berserk) poly farm and it was op.This diff is dramaticly way more powered with Warrior on Mount vs poly ninja.

So ninja basically not only on low levels but also on high levels is tooo overpowered.

If the situation doesnt change and someone who just began the game asks me "what should i do boss ?" , i will suggest him that "read the poly books and rest until u make ur poly P then farm with hliarious damages"
 

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xNike

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So, my honest opinion as a ninja main in pvm is:
you are somewhat right, ninja is in a pretty good spot rn, but that 100% depends on your budget, and game knowledge. The difference between a mid equipped ninja and a high-end equipped one is enormous to say the least, and the difference between a budget ninja (lets say <5kkk) and a budget warrior, isnt even that much, talking from my personal experience, as a lv 60 with 3 pvm characters.
That being said, i have to somewhat agree with you, but you also gotta consider the costs, the waiting time, the game knowledge that goes into that character.
 

Kumandan

Member
You dont even need to make pet or skill point , and you need wayyyy cheap and bad items to farm , i mean u can farm with bad items when u polied.

considering that is ninja better than warrior (pvp)

You can farm even with bad items and more damage and less time u spent on anything . Think about that you have money and you wanna make ninja.... ridiclous.
 
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Kumandan

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i was so afraid on new maps what would ninja make, and i saw that ... :)
 

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Tekno

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I don't agree nor disagree however there are a few factors I think you missed:
- Polymorph marble prices - here if a ninja, or literally any other class that is polymorphed, gets caught and dies by an accident or dies to other sophisticated individual in PvP - they will lose 12kk+.. per death! (no one uses cheap poly marbles)

Then let's break it into level sections:
1. Low level (30-74):
  1. Performance - very cost-effective meaning for a lower budget you can get away with more DPS and thus possibly better revenue (don't mistake with net profit)
  2. Gameplay - a bit more challenging compared to a non-polymorphed class, you deal a huge amount of damage and due to that, lots of monsters spawn at once and you might get caught up in the act and die (5-15kk down the drain!)
  3. Gear availability - Rare - if Snake blesses with a gentle kiss on your forehead, you might find items on the market but..! you need to be pushing lots of resistances even as a low-level player as most of the defence is deducted when you are polymorphed.
  4. Issues - I'd say sometimes you might be even forced into using Dragon Earrings (150 defence for 2h, cost 20kk - about 10kk per hour but you need to keep in mind - 1 poly time on P is 35 minutes, 2 polys - 70 minutes, 3 - 105, with dragon earrings lasting 2h or 120 minutes, after the third poly you either put on a new pair of earrings or mid-through the next poly it will run out and you become very fragile. Then a similar issue with Thief gloves which last 1h/60 min but polymorph time is 35 minutes. When not polymorphed (warrior, sura, or even non-polymorphed ninja.. Lol!) you don't have this problem as you put on whatever you want whenever you want. Now that's why in 1. Performance, I said better revenue might not necessarily be profit here as you will be covering additional costs.
If the situation doesnt change and someone who just began the game asks me "what should i do boss ?" , i will suggest him that "read the poly books and rest until u make ur poly P then farm with hliarious damages"

One more thing to mention here is, as a non-poly ninja it's very much of a hassle to start off the game. You struggle with stones. Any warrior, thanks to aura, will outperform you on a mount/horse. To then build a poly ninja, you would be required to have quite some capital saved up.

2. Mid Level (75-89):

  1. Performance - outstanding! - if it wasn't, there wouldn't be that many poly ninjas farming helia and flexing their Excel calculated hourly profit.
  2. Gameplay - Depends on the time of the day but at this point you are used to it and that thrill of chasing the highest PPH, or Profit Per hour, gets you out of bed. Here also PvP can bring you down - one decently equipped Mage/Buff can nuke you in 2 skills if you don't pay attention.
  3. Gear availability - Very rare - in this level range, the better polymorph ninjas make so much profit they can afford to have a higher budget for gear. This means you will be either rocking your 47avg antler bow in helia or 40 avg crow steel bow as anything above that is non-existent or OTC traded (over-the-counter) meaning it will never see the market. The rest of the gear is performance based. You perform what you pay for. You rock EE 20 drop 15 arrows - you make less than a mofo with sce +9 20 drop 15 arrows. You rock affordable phoenix shoes 2k 10crit 10 arrows.. Wait what. You don't use +9 king fishers which get your poly ninja scaling additional 120AV = 2x of Grudge +9 vs Crow Steel Bow +9 difference?! Are you poor? You don't have 10kkk to spend on the shoes?
  4. Issues - Here thanks to higher revenue, you can get away with more spendings - Polymorph marble prices, the earlier mentioned issues with Dragon Earrings and Thief Glove and their running time. Matter of fact, here you won't be using Dragon earrings but Tiger Earrings for max DPS potential. You get a few White Flags and just pay attention to not get nuked.

3. High level (90+):

  1. Performance - questionable (don't worry I'll elaborate) - Past Red Woods the metin stones have much higher arrow (bow) resistance, according to wiki 60% more. Here is also where the bosses become more important and they have slightly lower Arrow resistance compared to other weapons (~10%).
  2. Gameplay however! - if you played beta you know it's quite challenging for polymorphed individuals. If a warrior or sura gets their polymorph broken they can continue on a mount whereas for a ninja it's not really viable. You get a lot of White Flags and learn from xXxGAYGIRLxXx as his White Flag reaction time is on Formula 1 level. 24/7 you are watching over your back to not get caught up as the environment is highly competitive.
  3. Gear availability - Bow, armour, helmet - you pretty much make on your own as it's class unique and people on this level don't really sell it. If you played our wom2 you are probably aware it's a gamble with odds heavily stacked against you. How much does it cost? Very much up to the RNG Gods.
  4. Issues - highly competitive environment, but that applies for all classes; non-existent gear, no convenient alternative to warriors'/suras'/mages' mount farming. The benefits here just slightly make up for the struggles.
As I don't have a whole day I have not mentioned some other aspects such as:
- the alchemy approach which can differ from the normal alchemy you would be running on a sura/warrior;
- alternative farming methods e.g. with skills, not sure anyone even does it despite some ninja skills having some strong vs monster bonuses ( maybe not convenient enough)
- levelling issues,
- and probably something else.

As to low level metin stone availability - yes if new polymorph ninjas appear, they will create competition to other classes but with the current stone spawn rates they would just eventually eat out each other's profit making it not as viable to run a poly + glove + dragon earrings + possibly alchemy. Or they would be forced to progress to a map which is polymorph ninja sustainable (red woods or helia for stones, or beta for bosses). Even right now, without ninjas, the metin stone availability for lower level maps can get rough. People progressed with gear, developed protocols for optimised farming, and thus they farm quicker than when the server launched. Maybe just a simple fix is to increase the metin stone spawn rate or create additional stone spawn points? Everything is probably better visible for one with access to the actual data ( GD , DEV ).

And for this:
i was so afraid on new maps what would ninja make, and i saw that ... :)
How do you know how the dungeon, or map, or boss will look like? Are these the final values? Are you able to use a polymorph? Without the access to polymorph even -100% Arrow resistance probably won't help. Also, statistically I am confident there are still not nearly as many polymorph ninjas as warriors and do we know actually know the server vision of the staff? so...! Have a good one
 

xNike

Member
Very well said. As for the "many new ninjas" thing, 95% of them quit when they find out about the costs. When i had my ninja equipped with mid tier items, i would break like 30 more stones/hour than my warrior on a horse would. Not really that cost efficient, and many people fail to realise that.

and you need wayyyy cheap and bad items to farm , i mean u can farm with bad items when u polied
Totally not true, trust me, the one farming with cheap items will be as good as a mediocre warrior, when it comes to low level, and i think this applies to every level range, since there are warriors at level 75 dealing over 20k/hit
 

Kumandan

Member
How do you know how the dungeon, or map, or boss will look like? Are these the final values? Are you able to use a polymorph? Without the access to polymorph even -100% Arrow resistance probably won't help. Also, statistically I am confident there are still not nearly as many polymorph ninjas as warriors and do we know actually know the server vision of the staff? so...! Have a good one
the boss i attached is a boss which located on the map, i mean not in a dungeon, so you basically can poly, its not needs to be wise to understand that for sure


You mentioned about how the cost is high when poly ninja farming (dragon earrings, 1 h glove , poly prices etc etc.) yes you right.You spent more than a mounted warrior. BUT even with these huge cost of ninja, ninja is still broken and much gained in 1h rather than mounted warrior.Thats what im talking about.
One more thing to mention here is, as a non-poly ninja it's very much of a hassle to start off the game. You struggle with stones. Any warrior, thanks to aura, will outperform you on a mount/horse. To then build a poly ninja, you would be required to have quite some capital saved up.
come on man you talk about soooo early game, every acc is sturggle on that levels but yes aura is more easy than the others
As to low level metin stone availability - yes if new polymorph ninjas appear, they will create competition to other classes but with the current stone spawn rates they would just eventually eat out each other's profit making it not as viable to run a poly + glove + dragon earrings + possibly alchemy
im saying this bro, the more ninja the less metin, the less metin the more ninja they will do, they look at the ninjas with their warrior and "omg so strong then i should do" they do it. and now everywhere is poly ninja, you think thats the metin2 ? if so its okey. But i dont agree with that. Thats against the nature of the game


Do you want actually see all around the game "Poly Ninjas" ?




btw i dont care about ninjas. They dont interrupt my farm or anything else. Just wanna mention how the game goes on and i see bad things
 
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Kumandan

Member
Because the defence is not counted when ur polied (just dragon earrings counts not your equipped items like shield), you just need block items (im talking about redforest).
i saw my friends screen on discord how bad he has items. (pentagon shield +4 etc etc.) and he can farm with these bad items faster than mounted warrior.(no invest on pet , skills etc.)
 

Stforjanka

Active member
> So ninja basically not only on low levels but also on high levels is tooo overpowered.

I hope you dont mean beta 🤣
 

ZalimMelek55

New member
It is difficult to play the game without using BUGs. People work hard. It is not easy to make a ninja capable of cutting at that level. It really has a serious cost.
For over 1.5 years only warriors were farming well. Even the Sura characters were nurfed.
I think that people should not complain about ninjas farming for over a month.
It is a shame especially for players like Hated and WIKS, who played the game properly and came to this day without using any cheats, and have perfect characters to complain.
 

Kumandan

Member
I doubt your sanity. You keep saying the same things over and over again, trying to cover up your own lameness. You've been banned from the forum before. You are not welcome here.
 

ZalimMelek55

New member
yes, I have been banned from here 3 times. because nobody likes the truth. I am still sane. and I did not accuse anyone of anything. I just said how honest you played and your calculations were great.
or is there something we do not know?
suras are nurf ninjas are nurf shamans are nurf.
only warriors can play the game would actually be great.
why are you getting aggressive WIKS this is a discussion platform
 

ZalimMelek55

New member
if one day they swear at you and you say **** them and go away and
one of them says to you,
**** your mother's squint eye, **** your wife, **** your daughter.
and when you report this, if the GMs see you as PROVOKING because you said **** off.
I'm sure you'll be happy when they say something like that to you.
but not me
you don't get aggressive, you stay calm, brother
and this is not the issue here. our topic is ninjas.
don't jump out of water like mullet fish
 

ZalimMelek55

New member
Dont worry, he's biggest clown on the server, he playing here for two years and still has nothing XD
shouldn't clowning be the real job of those who use BUG and make items saying GMs took all the items back from us?
GMs took 75 chests back :) they never opened them, they collected the chests, WIKS We used BUG all this time and GMs thought one day they would catch us and give the chests back.

Metin2's immutable LAW; no matter what the game vulnerability (BUG) is, those who use it will be PERMA banned

Of course, things change when you become a partner.
 

Zwierz

Member
shouldn't clowning be the real job of those who use BUG and make items saying GMs took all the items back from us?
GMs took 75 chests back :) they never opened them, they collected the chests, WIKS We used BUG all this time and GMs thought one day they would catch us and give the chests back.

Metin2's immutable LAW; no matter what the game vulnerability (BUG) is, those who use it will be PERMA banned

Of course, things change when you become a partner.
 

ZalimMelek55

New member
I'm not crying, I'm still playing the game.

Why are you so aggressive?
Using BUGS is also a kind of theft.
It's stealing other players' rights. If you defend this, it means you're using it too.
My characters are only banned because I swear at those who swear at me.
Not because of using BUGS and CHEATS like you.
There's a big difference between us.
REMEMBER, ONLY THIEVES ARE ABLE TO DEFEND THIEVES
 
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