Zezerino
Member
I barely played on any other servers after wom closed, perhaps I am confusing with wom3 but if you are telling us the blade is original as is... I believe it.
What about Sura AM in PvM?
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I barely played on any other servers after wom closed, perhaps I am confusing with wom3 but if you are telling us the blade is original as is... I believe it.
Sensation
Member
it's clearly that sura need a rework on this server, is not the same as other servers. it's absurd that sura is the only one who got nerfed to the ground on every usefull skill, and the rest got buffed and this difference you can see on leaderboard, how many wars/mages are there and how many suras, you can also see if you play both chars,we don't need that dev telling us that sura is the same as before,because no other races are the same, compare it to actual gameplay and see if is ballanced, there is the problem,it can be still the same sura from 2009 but if the rest got buffed sura is no longer a valid race to choose because you will be in disadvantage,you should bring ballance in pvm and pvp, i repeat i don't care if sura is changed from original or not, just ballance PVM and make it worth playing, the rework on mages were great and those bring diversity to the game, do the same for sura.
Tbh I was expecting sura to be trash on this server before it started and I raised it somewhere on DC.
However, I play metin like once a year or even less and in last server i was playing body, so didn't want to play him again. Simply wanted to have some fun with sura, because that's what the game is about, but i'm not having fun at all when im getting outdamaged by healer, or my dmg is doubled by warrior and i can throw dispel on him that lasts for 3 seconds xD
However, I play metin like once a year or even less and in last server i was playing body, so didn't want to play him again. Simply wanted to have some fun with sura, because that's what the game is about, but i'm not having fun at all when im getting outdamaged by healer, or my dmg is doubled by warrior and i can throw dispel on him that lasts for 3 seconds xD
Sero
Active member
+1 just a fear buff would be nice the nerf shouldn’t be there
So, as we all know the Devs are watching.
What they could consider for the changes regards to sura:
-) Change the effect of blade - so that it ADDS to the total attack value BEFORE the %avg.dmg calculation (for example like warrior)
this would boost the damage, but ONLY has great effect if the player has good equip -> fair on a hard server.
-) make sure that the blade absorb does work correct, (every hit a few% of life should be absorbed) maybe add +2-4%
-) revert the % Fear nerf back to the original value / maybe add 2-3% ( for example, warrior got +12% extra buff by removing the negativ effect on berserker)
-) change the Dispel debuff, so that they have to atleast manually reactivate their buffs.
-) to bring a little tankyness back to sura: slighlty improve ench. armour (+25~30 Defense)
Some things that the Devs can consinder, if basically the whole server is complaining,
What they could consider for the changes regards to sura:
-) Change the effect of blade - so that it ADDS to the total attack value BEFORE the %avg.dmg calculation (for example like warrior)
this would boost the damage, but ONLY has great effect if the player has good equip -> fair on a hard server.
-) make sure that the blade absorb does work correct, (every hit a few% of life should be absorbed) maybe add +2-4%
-) revert the % Fear nerf back to the original value / maybe add 2-3% ( for example, warrior got +12% extra buff by removing the negativ effect on berserker)
-) change the Dispel debuff, so that they have to atleast manually reactivate their buffs.
-) to bring a little tankyness back to sura: slighlty improve ench. armour (+25~30 Defense)
Some things that the Devs can consinder, if basically the whole server is complaining,
Yes, i feel like slight damage boost is whats is needed the most as atm only ninja has worse dps than sura
No, as long as it works as intended, there is no need for extra %
I would say yes. Body got his berserk damage removed which is huge and they can read that skill to P and use all the time. Fear values on m7 are equivalent to m1 values before nerf, so it was a strong hit into sura.
Yes! That's the next one after damage buff or maybe even before. How come dispel m8 removes buffs for like 2-3 seconds? Why sura got directed nerf in pvp as well? That makes other classes unkillable. Some feature like a 15lvl difference could be consider.
Not sure about this one. That spell with mount etc feels a bit useless and if it was in any other class probably it would got some buff, however, i think the priority is what's above especially damage and dispel.
Jappkin
New member
If you can see, nope.
xXTr3FlaXx
New member
Do you guys still play on this server? ) get a life
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Menace
Member
u quit because someone stronger then you stole your metin? Or u got banned for using cheats?Do you guys still play on this server?
Thats not quite true, with berserk you still get extra dmgHi,
I was about to write such a post as well. I don't believe sura is balanced on this server. I could understand a little nerfs as that char is quite powerful in PVM (+ he got nerfed in pvp also), but when we nerf sura and buff all the other class, It doesn't look good as they got quite powerful buffs like for example mental with hp on Taichi.
Let's compare him to his closest competition - warrior body.
Body on this server gets following adventages over normal hard servers:
- no extra dmg taken on berserk
- pierce boost on berserk
- 6th skill
- dispel nerfed therefore body is untouchable with buff on metins or in some fights in future for boses
On the other hand sura got nerfs only:
- fear gives lower values
- enchanted blade is most likely nerfed
- dispel nerfed
When we analise current top100 chars, there are 55 warriors, 30 shamans and 15 suras. A day before IS there was 60 warriors and 15 suras, which means warriors even do better in v2 with exp. I would say that due to the 3 buff skills, suras should found it easier to get top levels first, especially when there was no IS.
At the same level body vs wp, warrior pretty much deals twice more damage than wp. I recorded a quick video comparing both of them killing metin lv25. Both chars have the same eq, same fms and just def items. They destroyed metin at the same time. If warrior had rib with the same average, he would have killed that metin quicker than sura... Warrior had level 35, aura m1, horse level 11. Sura had level 60, blade m8, horse level 21 and all missions from biolog and wonda rim? finished up to level 50.
I still recognise sura as 2nd best champion for pvm, however the gap between him and body is huge. He struggle with killing boses solo etc. In return for sura nerfs in PVM tho, sura didn't get anything in PVP, even more, he got his most powerful spell in PVP nerfed, which is again, for the warriors adventage. If someone is saying that WP is a tank, well, body do the same in V2 or metins just because he literally one shots everything.
Hopefully it wasn't TL
Thanks.
and to be honest, on sura you have fear and armor. You want now a dmg increase to be on the level with the body warrior?? these differences are quite right since a body warrior focuses only on attack speed and damage, while sura also has a lot of defence and can resist literally everywhere. (Berserk doesnt give you any movement speed on rework and the 6th skill on body warrior is the most useless skill ive seen so far.) And btw, with the alchemy sura will get a boost on his dmg and its just a matter of time.So all in all, they should stay that way. Body warrior = High damage but weak defence /// Sura am= Pretty good damage, defence and resistance.
Alan Ezker
New member
The problem is that the same people who use sura wp, sabotage themselves in this thread because they dont even know what the problem is. The sura wp has lower damage that the official one, maybe a change on porpuse maybe a bug, we dont know, because with exactly the same AP other characters dealt more damage. Now, they start to compare it with the warrior at low level, which is absurd, the warrior is the character that deals the best physical dmg, and the sura wp can compete with them but at very high level, everyone should know this and its ok, and then they start to talk about Fear and stuff. Yes, fear is nerfed, but that doesnt make sura wp useless.
My main character is not a sura wp, but I used here and yes, there is a problem with dmg, but if you start to complain about other stuff that was clearly made on porpuse and detract from the original problem, this won't lead anywhere. You already have enough with trolls.
My main character is not a sura wp, but I used here and yes, there is a problem with dmg, but if you start to complain about other stuff that was clearly made on porpuse and detract from the original problem, this won't lead anywhere. You already have enough with trolls.